Invited by France Culture, like Marine Le Pen, the candidate for President of the Republic for re-election answered Guillaume Erner’s questions for Les Matins. An interview recorded last Friday at the end of the morning in one of our studios, here are the best moments.
“A form of tyranny of the event has returned”
The head of state, who would not have such a comfortable advantage as in 2017 according to the polls, first wanted to recontextualize the presidential campaign and in recent years. Covid, climate change, return from war in Europe…”We rediscover ourselves vulnerable in every way and experience the unthinkable. We live in a deeply disturbed time, where there is a form of tyranny of the event that has returned” emphasizes Emmanuel Macron. Understanding the recent health, economic, geopolitical and climatic upheavals and the resulting inequalities and tensions is, according to him, imperative for “understand the state of society from a political point of view”.
The candidate for a second term raises our anxieties, our tiredness, our concerns, our fears and affirms his “whatever it takes.” Remember also that our societies “they have been shaken, bruised by terrorism, with deep traumas and I would add the great transformations, the great transitions, the great upheavals as well, the anthropological transformation that goes with the changes in use and the rise of the digital”.
A “diffraction of the political question” and a new radicalism
Without wishing to pass judgment, Emmanuel Macron describes “a relationship with politics that is structured in an increasingly emotional way”. It evokes new commitments and causes, requests that multiply and French people who move away”.of the citizen question in its entirety, which is the relationship with the vote, with the political parties, even with the unions, of the forms of intermediating the relationship with the life of the city in everything that is integral”. With social networks that “contribute to this diffraction of the political question and the great debates”, in reaction to the “decontextualized phrases”.
According to the man who launched the great national debate behind the “yellow vests”, these uncompromising developments generate “a relationship with radicalism and purity in politics that makes the unmistakable maieutics that exist in the construction of all representative democracies extremely difficult”.
The presidential candidate illustrates his point with the recent results of the first round: “Three-quarters of the voters who spoke out, which is still quite strong, spoke out for three projects: a far-right project, which is radical; a project of the extreme left with Jean-Luc Mélenchon that assumes a political radicalism in the elements, in particular linked to capitalism and the very relationship with the market economy; and what I would call a far center draft if you want to rate mine in midfield“. Hence, according to the candidate for president, a responsibility of intellectuals and politicians”reconsider our democracy in relation to this relationship with radicalism”, to “this desire for purity”. And for the future, “We must ensure that our own countrymen are in on the action, especially when they are their agents. That is what I want to achieve, which is a profound change. It is a reform of both the State and the institutions“.
A presidential candidate facing Marine Le Pen who “hides from the people”
The clash between the elite bloc and the popular bloc, much discussed in recent days, and the result of the reflection of the pollster and analyst Jérôme Sainte-Marie, is widely rejected by Emmanuel Macron: “is in debate”. Remember not to bearchbishop’s son” and upload from “republican meritocracy” thanks to his teacher grandmother and his success in competitions. Anyone who admits to having often had “very awkward sentences” claims to have always been in contact, even with people who did not think like him. And assert that, during this campaign, “the far-right candidate hides from the people”. Echoing the accusations that have been made many times, the one who changed his slogan less than fifteen days before the first round (“Everyone” instead of “With you”) replies that “the real contempt is to protect yourself from people, never go there”. On Tuesday, the representative of the National Group had almost the same phrase against him: “I intend to consult the only expert that Emmanuel Macron has never consulted: the people“, he proclaimed at a press conference in Vernon (Eure), also stating that the outgoing president is “remained totally inactiveon democratic issues and assuming to elect the journalists who follow it.
He also solemnly marks his opposition to his adversary regarding constitutional changes: “What is implicit in Ms. Le Pen’s approach is that basically, once elected, she considers herself superior to the Constitution as she may not respect it to change the rules. It’s a breakup, and it’s serious. And this is a fundamental opposition. In the same way, when she says that she is willing to submit to a referendum to revoke the death penalty, this is not in accordance with the Constitution and is a deep regression to, in my opinion, what is an achievement of the Constitution of the Republic. Fifth Republic.”Except Marine Le Pen had just come back to this last point on BFMTV, finally saying this”death penalty referendum not possibleand recalling his opposition to the reintroduction of the death penalty.
“I have probably changed more intellectually in my relationship with ecology”
Emmanuel Macron says that he tries to read, to follow the intellectual debates in society, on gender in particular. But the campaigning head of state, criticized by the opposition for his lack of action in this matter, trusts that “the relationship with nature, the thought of ecology” is it so “one of the things in which I have probably changed the most intellectually”.
The one whose emblematic minister, Nicolás Hulot, slammed the door admits not having thought enough in this area and not being “at the end of the roadbut he explains that he has read and reflected a lot on the compatibility of this thought with our country and “our european adventure“.”you will noticestress on Notre-Dame-des-Landes, that I am the first of the presidents to point out that we would not carry out the airport project“Not a word, however, about the repeated IPCC alerts or youth demonstrations on this issue. This Saturday, in Marseille, the day after it was recorded on our airwaves, his speech mentioned ecology 43 times in an hour and a half. .’after the account of the “Diary” program.
Culture: little present in the campaign according to who defends its balance
Supported last week by many cultural leaders and then by 500 artists against the extreme right, Emmanuel Macron says he regrets the small part of culture in this campaign. When some people around him regret the small place he occupies in their program (only a few occurrences). On our airwaves, the candidate for president promotes his trajectory above all. Starting with his appointment policy, “in particular of women who, for the first time, from the Beaux-Arts to the Louvre or elsewhere, have held eminent functions and I am proud of it”. Laurence des Cars was, in fact, the first woman appointed to head the Louvre.
Another claimed pride: the support for culture during the Covid crisis and in particular intermittent workers. Although he acknowledgesthat there is still a fragility and that, I want to address it for the smaller companies”. And he promises in any case not to go back on the so often contested regime of intermittent workers of recent years: “I do not want to change a system that I defended and reinforced“.
He is careful not to mention the abolition of the tax, the idea of which he shares with Marine Le Pen. Even if he wants to privatize the public audiovisual sector when he has promised to guarantee his budget.
Review of the cultural programs of Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen by Eric Chaverou.
Support for creators and authors must also continue, after “unprecedented political victories for copyright and related rights“, and when “the transformation of uses today threatens creators”. Emmanuel Macron is enthusiastic about his policy of public commissions from young artists through “New Worlds”, which he will continue and “perpetuate“.
After having praised his heritage policy through Stéphane Bern or the Heritage Loto, he insists on the “extremely important lever” access to culture. According to him, this access has been reinforced at the school and thanks to the Cultural Pass. The candidate for president recalls his announcement on our airwaves, admits misunderstandings about the announcement as a “gadget” and acknowledges a bad start. But he now he’s looking forward to it.”a great success“What he wants”back to the university”. “I think it’s a social projectDo not hesitate to affirm Emmanuel Macron. Because to close the circle, “the cultural question is a cement. Education, culture are responses to this type of diffraction of the political issue“.
As for the media,culture no matter what it takes is a reality. He has been there.greets the candidate for president, who promises not to reduce investment in culture. Although he specifies that the “we must put ourselves in the capacity to reinvent a certain part of our practices of creation as of useand that a new financing system is necessary that involves the big broadcasters in favor of our cultural exception. Without forgetting, as he announces his new project, to “build a European and French metaverse because it will be a great lever for the creation and distribution“.
Finally, Emmanuel Macron praises the source of inspiration that was during his mandate the reading of Bruno Latour and especially of Peter Sloterdijk, “because I find that his reflection is always historical and to the limit, because of his thinking in particular on the European question, on our history, on modernity“.
“Later, those who help me live are the poets. So I read poetry every day and from Cendrars to Apollinaire passing through René Char, who is my great companion, they are the ones who help me live. Because these are the ones that really liberate you the most, sometimes precisely, from this violence of daily tyranny, and that, or for some, give you that face of death, or they give you that kind of absolute intimacy with what you have to be. . So luckily there is poetry to live by.“Says the man who wrote a never published novel about the Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés.
With the complicity of Rosalie Lafarge
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